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Given how I was outed in this post I guess I'll get things started. ;-)
Lets see, 50yrds x 10 = 500yrds. If I hold a 47 50yr pace I should finish at 7.83.
So there you have it. 7.83 for 500. Hopefully next week I can give it a try.
To all others, good luck.
posted about 3 years ago | Report
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Thanks for giving me the opportunity to dust off my math skills, Mark. 7:50 it is!
I'll do both. I did a relaxed pace workout last night. Based on that, I think I could push myself to do a 6:28 for the 500.
For the 1000, I'm actually swimming it in competition next weekend! I swam it once last year for the first time and went a 12:27. I'll round it up to a 12:30 for this.
Good luck, everyone!
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I accept the challenge, I have been meaning to swim a 1000 anyway, just to see if I'm capable of doing it for an Olympic distance tri. You guys are way faster than me so don't laugh at my time! I'm going to guess 21:45.
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Yah! No worries, Sarah -- Just get as close to your entry time and you'll earn full bragging rights... and maybe even a secret prize! :)
So... we've got 2 for the 500, 2 for the 1000. Anyone else up for the challenge? Post your entry times by Saturday!
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Thanks Chio! I'm not sure if I should be happy that I am good at guessing my time, or sad that I was as slow as I thought I would be, but here it is: 22:28 for 1000m, so I was 0:43 off. The good news is I can definitely swim that distance, although the triathlon is in open water so I should probably practice doggy-paddling that distance to get a true sense of what it will be like. =)
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in reply to what Sarah K. said:Thanks Chio! I'm not sure if I should be happy that I am good at guessing my time, or sad that I was as slow as I thought I would be, but here it is: 22:28 for 1000m, so I was 0:43 off. The good news is I can definitely swim that distance, alth... read more
As a fellow triathlete you may find that you are alot faster in a triathlon then in the pool. I come out of the water after doing a 1/4 swim in the low 5minutes. In the pool there is no way I can do that. I think the constant flip turns cost me tons of time.
When I wear my wetsuit I get even faster.Also I pass alot of "pool only" swimmers who can't swim straight w/o the lines to save their lives. They end up zig zagging the entire swim and waste alot of energy.
If you want to practice alittle of what you are going to face in a race, find the person who is splashing the most at the pool and swim next to them. When you cross paths they will cover you with spray and force you to skip a breath and such. Also every other lap pick your head out of the water and spot something on the wall. Pick it out before you start and see how fast you can spot it and get back to swimming. If you can do this well you will do great during a race.
I've been in the sport for almost 20years so don't be afraid to ask. I'm sure I'll have some worthless answer or advice to give. ;-)
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FYI - I'll be doing the 1000 challenge as well but not until after my 5K race this weekend. 500 is fine but the 1000 will have to wait.
posted about 3 years ago | Report
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Looks like I just made it in under the wire. I'll try for both (just to see what I can do on the 1000). For the 500yd I'm should be at 8:40?(basing it on my last couple race times). for 1000yd lets guess....19:00. Sure, that sounds right? This should be fun. Now I have something to do on Monday at the pool :-)
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@Mark - Okay, I'm gonna look past the nice comments you've made about pool swimmers. But wetsuits?!! Oh, don't even get me started on wetsuits! ;)
@Sarah - I just replied to your workout post, so check there for some ideas.
@Tony - Welcome! I'll add your times. Good luck!
Oh, and before I forget, I went a 12:10 at the meet today. So... 20 secs off my guestimate of 12:30. I'll do my timed 500 during practice this coming week :)
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in reply to what Chio said:@Mark - Okay, I'm gonna look past the nice comments you've made about pool swimmers. But wetsuits?!! Oh, don't even get me started on wetsuits! ;) @Sarah - I just replied to your workout post, so check there for some ideas. @Tony - Welcome! ... read more
Wetsuits first. They provide heat when water temps are not conducive to long periods in the water. They add a level of safety that my wife absolutely loves and yes, they do aid your stroke. I've done tri's with and with out them, I, along with my wife prefer the safety of having one on. Plus once the temps go above a certain temp then are not allow in a tri so as you can see, safety first.
As for the nice pool swimmers comments, sorry but I just call it like I see it. I don't know how many times I see a first timer who can absolutely crush me in the pool, get in the water for their warm up only to end up 100 yrds off course. Heck I've seen some of them swim in circles. Once they figure out the currents, the spotting and all the rest they really fly, but until then, it's kinda funny to watch. ;-)
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OK, so I'm out of the game on the 500yd swim. I guessed 8:40. My actual time was........7:05. Yeah, I shouldn't be upset about that, but I was when I finished because I realized how off my guess was. I'm going to do the 1000yd next Monday (my next swim workout is Friday and I have a 5K race on Sat. so I don't want to over do it in the pool). I have to wonder how far off my 1000yd time is. At least I'm making progress on swimming :-p
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Ok so here is the result for 500 with some observations.
Straight from the timex : 8:31.52
As you might have guessed I treated this like a triathlon. I went out hard and fast for the first 100 and then tried to calm down, and settle into a race pace. I gotta say the turns are by far the thing that is costing me the most time. After each turn I felt like I was starting over with my overall pace and somewhat recovering from holding my breath during the flip turn. When I try for the 1000 it may not be so much of an issue but I honestly think that the faster I try to go the more it effects me.
If this test occured in open water I wouldn't be surprise to see a faster time while being able to lower the HR a bit because I could just set a pace and go. By way of example, when I did the 1/2 IronMan I came out of the water in 36minutes. When you run the numbers it shows you just how bad my turns must be.
Today my 100 yrd avg was 1.40
For the 1/2 IM swim (2200 yrds) I was almost 10 seconds faster each 100 yards.That means if I were to have raced myself (pool me versus open water me) the open water me would win by 5 (100 lengths ) x 10 secs diff = 50seconds.
At the 1/2 IM distance a shocking ~3 1/2 min difference.
The numbers are a harsh but important fact to know. As a triathlete who happens to be an Engineer I look forward to the 1000 yrd test to obtain more data. ;-)
(can you tell I dig the numbers game?) ;-)
Update: To get a better idea of turns vs lost speed I went back to one of last years tri results. 5:41 for 1/4. That equates to a 1:25 100. Making my time loss even greater since the speed and effort between a 400 and a 500 are pretty much the same. At sprint/race speed it's the difference between 1:40 and 1:25 or 15 seconds. This makes the open water vs pool finishing times even worse.
For 500 - 75seconds
For 2200 - ~51/2 min.posted about 3 years ago | edited about 3 years ago | Report
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@Tony - Congrats on your 500! Bitter-sweet, but you must be psyched about the time. Looking forward to your 1000 next week!
@Mark - I think anyone -- regardless of their swimming background -- has difficulties when they first start swimming OW.
I'm not trying to disprove your numbers, but is it fair to compare a 500 from a push during a workout to your swimming leg of a triathlon? There are so many outside factors involved here. Current, sighting, weather, salt vs. chlorine water, wetsuit vs. non-wetsuit, drafting, the element of competition...! Having said that, my pool swims are always faster than my OW ones. Flipturns are my friend! They should be yours, too :)
ADDED: For calculation purposes, I'm rounding up Mark's time to 8:32. My "Excel for Dummies" spreadsheet doesn't do split seconds ;)
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re: Flipturns are my friend! They should be yours, too :)
Flipturns are HARD. I think you have to work up the ability to hold your breath longer than 3 strokes to do them well. I have a hard time doing them too and not ending up gasping for air after a couple hundred yards.
posted about 3 years ago | Report
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Yes, they are! And the pain (a combo of abs and lungs for me) that comes after a while sounds about right. But you gots to do 'em, so you might as well do 'em the best you can! Because, in the pool, the better your turns, the less you have to swim :)
Hmm... will our next group set might be another breath control one...? I remember the last one going over so well ;)
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@chio Fair questions. I did the 500 after warming up only. I did this to mimic what I would do during a race, warm up then go. You also brought up a number of factors that open water swimmers have to deal with. I didn't use my wetsuit and there was no drafting but in the opposite direction, no currents, no mass start, no sighting, etc etc. That's why I honestly thought I would be faster in a more controlled environment such as a pool. When I wasn't I started to do some self evaluation in an effort to understand why. Given the rather technical nature of turns ( I remember Phelps saying he can go faster just by working on his turns more) and that my stroke count has decreased over the pass few seasons, I concluded turns.
I guess it all comes down to whether I want to dedicate the time to improve them or keeping doing what I've been doing. Tough call.
Great talk everyone and great times!!!!
posted about 3 years ago | Report
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I did my 500 for time earlier today in conjunction with my virtual 'Swim With Mike' (http://www.dailymile.com/events/7685-swim-with-mike). I was supposed to have swum it BEFORE my other activities, but it ended up being the last thing of an action-packed day.
I went a 6:38. 0:10 off my guestimate.
I'll post the final results tomorrow!
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in reply to what Chio said:Yes, they are! And the pain (a combo of abs and lungs for me) that comes after a while sounds about right. But you gots to do 'em, so you might as well do 'em the best you can! Because, in the pool, the better your turns, the less you have to s... read more
After seeing your recent post I came and re-read the entire thread. The pool where I swim has had almost no hours due to finals and such. After re-reading something you said caught my attention.
"But you gots to do 'em, so you might as well do 'em the best you can! Because, in the pool, the better your turns, the less you have to swim :)"
The less you have to swim? Interesting that you would word it like that. Were you kidding or are you serious? Because if you are serious, then what I heard Phelps (along with a number of other medalist and pro triathletes) say makes even more sense.
They said something to this effect:
Given the technical/skill nature of swimmer it tends to be about levels. You can improve a beginners swim time alot without improving their fitness up to a point. Then the fitness is a barrier. When they remove that barrier, the skill aspect comes back into play until they hit another barrier.Given your experience, do you agree or disagree.
As you can tell I am fascinated by the whole balancing of three sports. ;-)
posted almost 3 years ago | Report
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@ Mark - I had to re-read your most recent post a few times, because I couldn't figure out the connection between it and what I said about flipturns. I'm still not really sure what you're asking... From a physical perspective, isn't "successful" swimming those things + natural talent working simultaneously? Stop asking such difficult questions! ;)
In another post, you said, "Given the rather technical nature of turns ( I remember Phelps saying he can go faster just by working on his turns more) ... I guess it all comes down to whether I want to dedicate the time to improve them or keeping doing what I've been doing. Tough call." Flipturns are just another part of the race. Why just practice one part (i.e., the straight-away swimming) and not others? In sprint events, the start and turn(s) can make or break your race! I think this could also be applied to triathlons. If the swim portion is held in a pool, you could shave off time from having good turns :)
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THE RESULTS ARE IN! :: drum roll ::
Distance Guess Actual Difference
500 Tony S. 8:40 7:05 1:35
500 Mark F. 7:50 8:32 0:42
500 Chio H. 6:28 6:38 0:10
1000 Sarak K. 21:45 22:28 00:43
1000 Chio H. 12:30 12:10 00:20posted almost 3 years ago | Report
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difficult questions?? lol.
Sprint triathlon? If so then you have 1 turn(180degree) maybe two turns at best and you're done. As for pool triathlons, I typically stick to the duathlons or 5ks as a way to work my way into the season while balancing family. I think there is one in my area but waaaaay to much money for such a short race.
So for me, flip turns are not part of the race. Maybe some day I'll change my mind but at this point in my life, straightline speed is key.
posted almost 3 years ago | Report
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